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RE: A čmo paniko zganjat?

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28.04.2009, 19:28

Anonimen

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: natasa77

a je že čas kislih kumaric?

Blizu je.
Prvomajski so generalka.

28.04.2009, 19:31

Anonimen

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28.04.2009, 19:32

Anonimen

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: natasa77

In kaj je na tem smesnega user posted image

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Generalka je resna stvar.

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28.04.2009, 21:14

Naja31

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Pa ni cepivo za 1/4 prebivalstva, ampak zdravila za 1/4 prebivalstva.
Cepiva proti prašičji gripi še ni in računajo, da potrebujejo 4-6 mesecev da ga razvijejo.

Mene zelo skrbi.
2 leti nazaj smo se v službi ukvarjali s pripravljenostjo slovenskega sistema kriznega menadžmenta na pandemijo atipične gripe in lahko samo molimo, da se pri nas ne razširi.
Zdravstvo je mogoče že pripravljeno,ampak pri krizi takšnioh razsežnosti je ključno tudi delovanje drugih sistemov,to pa je pri nas porazno. Pa tudi pripravljenosti in organiziranosti našega zdravstva, ki ne funkcionira niti v "normalnih" razmerah, jaz ne bi preveč zaupala.

Ravno danes popoldan je na Valu 202 nek gospod govoril o tem (ne vem kdo je bil, ker nisem slišala celotne oddaje). Pravi, da ne gre samo za to, da ljudje zbolijo, gre za to da če je obolevnost prebivalstva tako visoka, potem odpovejo tudi druge službe, ker so tisti,ki delajo zboleli. In če zboli 20%, od tega jih 1% umre, je problem kam vse te pokopati.

Tako da, ja, mene skrbi.

28.04.2009, 21:20

Anonimen

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Naja31

Pravi, da ne gre samo za to, da ljudje zbolijo, gre za to da če je obolevnost prebivalstva tako visoka, potem odpovejo tudi druge službe, ker so tisti,ki delajo zboleli. In če zboli 20%, od tega jih 1% umre, je problem kam vse te pokopati.

To so zelo visoke stevilke, 1%.

V Mexicu jih je do zdaj po znanih podatkih umrlo 152, to je 0,0059 promila prebivalstva. Pri njihovi stopnji kaosa user posted image

28.04.2009, 21:29

Naja31

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1% je res velik.
Britanski model predvideva da bi obolelo 25% celotne populacije, bolnišnično zdravljenje bi potrebovalo 0,55% prebivalcev, smrtnost pa bi bila 0,37% .Pri populaciji 2 mil, se predvideva 7800 mrtvih.

Na tem modelu temelji slovenski načrt ukrepanja.

28.04.2009, 21:33

Anonimen

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Naja31

1% je res velik.
Britanski model predvideva da bi obolelo 25% celotne populacije, bolnišnično zdravljenje bi potrebovalo 0,55% prebivalcev, smrtnost pa bi bila 0,37% .Pri populaciji 2 mil, se predvideva 7800 mrtvih.

Na tem modelu temelji slovenski načrt ukrepanja.

Same grde asociacije mi gredo po glavi. Tokrat moram bit tiho user posted image

28.04.2009, 23:39

nana 27

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Meni tudi ni hecno. Panike zaenkrat še ne zganjam. Upam le, da ne bo hujšega.

Če se komu da brat: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/8018428.stm

pa še malo bolj "paničnih" izvlečkov:

"The number of cases increases significantly every day. The number of fatalities is also increasing. At least three doctors are said to have died from swine flu. There is great fear among the medical community. We know that the situation is very serious and that we are at high risk of infection.
But we are more scared of carrying it into our homes and infecting our loved ones. One of my colleagues that was exposed chose to stay in a hotel rather than run the risk of infecting her daughters.
These fears are getting worse as we realise that it is not possible to get antiviral drugs from pharmacies and that in the health sector they are close to being delivered in droppers.
Despite this, the government says that it can rely on antiviral drugs to treat a million cases. We do not have easy access to these, even though we are part of the health sector.
In one hospital doctors were given the anti-viral rimantadine, even though there is resistance to this drug. Also, fewer samples are being taken from severe cases, as there is a lack of means of transporting and cultivating the samples.
Dr Guadalupe "
"I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a doctor, I realise that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid to panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths.
Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City "
"I'm a specialist doctor in respiratory diseases and intensive care at the Mexican National Institute of Health. There is a severe emergency over the swine flu here. More and more patients are being admitted to the intensive care unit. Despite the heroic efforts of all staff (doctors, nurses, specialists, etc) patients continue to inevitably die. The truth is that anti-viral treatments and vaccines are not expected to have any effect, even at high doses. It is a great fear among the staff. The infection risk is very high among the doctors and health staff.
There is a sense of chaos in the other hospitals and we do not know what to do. Staff are starting to leave and many are opting to retire or apply for holidays. The truth is that mortality is even higher than what is being reported by the authorities, at least in the hospital where I work it. It is killing three to four patients daily, and it has been going on for more than three weeks. It is a shame and there is great fear here. Increasingly younger patients aged 20 to 30 years are dying before our helpless eyes and there is great sadness among health professionals here.
Antonio Chavez, Mexico City "

"I have been trying to purchase face masks for myself and my family - my wife and two children - but haven't been able to get one anywhere.
I have visited six pharmacies in the area and all are sold out. None are expecting deliveries until Tuesday. I am concerned by this and don't think it's good enough, given it's a measure the government is advising.
However, I haven't seen any clear government advice on where people can get masks.
My family and I are all at home and are taking general precautionary measures - such as avoiding any outside contact, going very carefully to the supermarket to do basic shopping and making no unnecessary visits or trips.
I hope the government is being truthful - it certainly appears to be transparent in its information.
The schools are closed, as are public buildings. People have been advised to stay at home and have been instructed with basic health precautions to take.
Jorge, Mexico City, Mexico"

I'm a doctor responsible for managing vaccines in the northern Mexican state of Nuevo Leon.
Over the last two weeks we started seeing patients with high fever, muscle aches, sore throats and coughs. Those symptoms seemed a bit odd for us, but we didn't diagnose them with swine flu as we didn't know about it.
On Sunday we had our first death in the area. It was someone who came from Mexico City. But we don't have the means to confirm whether it was as a result of swine flu.

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More than anything, we lack equipment and laboratory kits. All we can do is look at the symptoms and make a clinical diagnosis.
In the pharmacies, there is no Tamiflu available. They only have another medication and they don't even have enough of that.
So the vaccines we have are not enough we don't have the medication required. People here are not aware that this flu outbreak can kill people.
On behalf of all the medical community in Nuevo Leon I'd like to ask for help to get the medication, so we can treat people.
We need to have the means to diagnose people and, most importantly, the means to offer them treatment.
Dr Vicente Torres, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico

28.04.2009, 23:49

nana 27

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Aja..malo sem gledala po internetu. Je res možno, da ena škatlica tamifluja stane več kot 100 EUR-ov? Poleg tega pa so stranski učinki tega "edinega" zdravila zelo hudi - na wikipediji sem prebrala, da poveča nagnjenost k samomorom (na Japonskem so se mladi ljudje metali iz stolpnic in skakali pred avtomobile user posted image )

28.04.2009, 23:54

Kerensa*

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: TomTaylor
a čmo jest pršut al ne?

Jaz ga bom.

29.04.2009, 09:32

Brisani uporabnik

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29.04.2009, 09:35

moci

5572

ah ja.
jaz bom paniko zganjala, ko bo čas za to.
pršut imam pa rada, ja.

samo ne vem kaj ima zveze z gripo. user posted image

29.04.2009, 09:38

ZARA

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Se strinjam, paniko zganjajte takrat, ko bo čas za to. Mediji očitno mislijo, da je čas pravšnji.

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29.04.2009, 09:39

nana 27

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Poglej, nikjer nisem napisala, da rabim tamiflu, samo če pogledaš po internetu vidiš, da se draži user posted image V zarote pa nočem verjet. Ne še in pršutka tudi rada jem.

Zgornje sem pa nalimala, ker se mi zdi, da nas nihče dost ne informira o tem in se popolnoma strinjam z Najo, ki je napisala, da smo nepripravljeni..turisti iz Mehike se bodo kmalu vrnili, tako da...

29.04.2009, 09:41

tanikaa

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ZARA

Se strinjam, paniko zganjajte takrat, ko bo čas za to. Mediji očitno mislijo, da je čas pravšnji.

Glupa zaronjo. user posted image

Paniko je treba zganjat. Zdaj. Takoj. In nič več pujsetine papat. PANIKAAAAAAAAAA.

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29.04.2009, 09:46

Brisani uporabnik

5637

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29.04.2009, 09:52

mika

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ZARA

Se strinjam, paniko zganjajte takrat, ko bo čas za to. Mediji očitno mislijo, da je čas pravšnji.

Na čelu s farmacevtskim lobijem.

Kako je pa virus sploh mutiral....kako je prišel do človeka, če se ne prenaša z uživanjem svinjskega mesa?

Al so to skrbno pripravili farmacevti, medtme ko je WHO, tako zelo skrbelo, da virus ne bi mutiral... po par mesecih pa se zgodi ravno to user posted image

29.04.2009, 09:56

mika

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Še to....na 24 ur sem zasledila, da so pacienti umrli samo v Mehiki. V tistih bolnišnicah so razmere tako slabe, da če si prst porežešin greš na šivanje , zaradi slabih higienskih razmer lahko umreš zaradi sepse.

Sej imajo tudi dobre bolnišnice, predvidevam pa, da so njihovi pacienti preživeli.

Bi bilo zanimivo kje takšno info. dobit.

29.04.2009, 10:01

ZARA

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: mika
Na čelu s farmacevtskim lobijem.

Kako je pa virus sploh mutiral....kako je prišel do človeka, če se ne prenaša z uživanjem svinjskega mesa?

Meni tudi ni jasno. O njih pa sploh ne bi izgubljala besed.

Tale mi je huda. Kopiram:

Guverner ameriške zvezne države Kalifornija Arnold Schwarzenegger je v boju proti prašičji gripi danes razglasil izredno stanje, vendar ob tem poudaril, da ni "potrebe za preplah".

Razglasiš izredno stanje, ampak potrebe za preplah pa ni ??!!

< Sporočilo je popravil ZARA -- 29.4.2009 10:02:12 >

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29.04.2009, 10:03

ssevin

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ZARA

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: mika
Na čelu s farmacevtskim lobijem.

Kako je pa virus sploh mutiral....kako je prišel do človeka, če se ne prenaša z uživanjem svinjskega mesa?

Meni tudi ni jasno. O njih pa sploh ne bi izgubljala besed.

Tale mi je huda. Kopiram:

Guverner ameriške zvezne države Kalifornija Arnold Schwarzenegger je v boju proti prašičji gripi danes razglasil izredno stanje, vendar ob tem poudaril, da ni "potrebe za preplah".

Razglasiš izredno stanje, ampak potrebe za preplah pa ni ??!!

Valjda ni potrebe za preplah, če pa jih varuje sam terminator !!!???

29.04.2009, 10:06

ZARA

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: ssevin
Valjda ni potrebe za preplah, če pa jih varuje sam terminator !!!???

Aja, na to pa nisem pomislila. user posted image

Arnold, skjuzmi.

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29.04.2009, 10:06

moci

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iiii, a ni švarci pameten. user posted image

29.04.2009, 10:12

bubi

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: mika

Al so to skrbno pripravili farmacevti, medtme ko je WHO, tako zelo skrbelo, da virus ne bi mutiral... po par mesecih pa se zgodi ravno to

Ja, in zdravniki nalašč povzročajo prometne nesreče, da imajo kaj delat. user posted image

Poleg tega pa ni Tamiflu edino tovrstno zdravilo na tržišču.

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Pa smo kompletni... No, odvisno, kaj je komplet :)

29.04.2009, 10:16

Volga

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IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: *bubi*

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: mika

Al so to skrbno pripravili farmacevti, medtme ko je WHO, tako zelo skrbelo, da virus ne bi mutiral... po par mesecih pa se zgodi ravno to

Ja, in zdravniki nalašč povzročajo prometne nesreče, da imajo kaj delat.

Poleg tega pa ni Tamiflu edino tovrstno zdravilo na tržišču.

pa saj zdravniki ne "zdravijo samo prometnih nesreč". Potem to že ne more držat.

29.04.2009, 10:27

bubi

13094

IZVIRNO SPOROČILO: Volga

pa saj zdravniki ne "zdravijo samo prometnih nesreč". Potem to že ne more držat.

Farmacevtske firme (konkretno Roche) tudi ne delajo samo protivirusnih zdravil.

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Pa smo kompletni... No, odvisno, kaj je komplet :)

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